Comments on: Leader vs. manager 1/7

By: Mary Parker Follett and modern management | Managing Leadership

Mary Parker Follett and modern management | Managing Leadership — Mon, 12 May 2008 18:22:34 +0000

[...] see Miki Saxon, at Leadership Turn, doing just that, with a seven-part series on the topic starting here. She doesn’t reach my conclusions, but she conducts a rigorous, honest examination. Please [...]

By: Christine

Christine — Fri, 02 May 2008 12:29:43 +0000

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By: Miki Saxon

Miki Saxon — Thu, 01 May 2008 20:40:40 +0000

Brilliantly said, Nii. Thanks for stopping by, it’s great to hear from you.

By: Nii

Nii — Thu, 01 May 2008 20:31:29 +0000

Miki shared with me a famous quote by Lao Tzu about leadership a few years ago. According to Lao, “As for the best leaders, the people do not notice their existence. The next best, the people honor and praise. The next, the people fear; and the next, the people hate…When the best leader’s work is done, the people say, “We did it ourselves!” To lead the people, walk behind them.”
I have this quote posted in my office and I continually review it to make sure I am drifting towards the right direction. Having said that, it seems like in today’s pop culture, the quintessential leader or manager is looking for every opportunity to be honored and praised. And yes, some even get a kick out of being feared and hated. The question is, “Who wants to follow or be managed by someone at the negative end of Lao’s leadership meter?” For me it’s a no-brainer that there is this constant movement of good and best-performing people from one organization to the next. Some leaders and managers unfortunately just want to be super stars at the detriment of the people they are supposed to lead and manage.

Regarding the differences between a manager and a leader, I believe that the gap is closing between the two. In today’s global and technologically advanced world, managers still need to have the leadership qualities to succeed. They need to be able to take risks, inspire, innovate and challenge conventional thinking. Otherwise, they will be history.

By: Miki Saxon

Miki Saxon — Thu, 01 May 2008 16:33:32 +0000

HI Ren, thanks for stopping by. I agree with you, but doesn’t a good manager do the same thing?

By: Miki Saxon

Miki Saxon — Thu, 01 May 2008 16:31:34 +0000

Hi Simone, good to see you. I’m a firm believer in “leaders in the instance,” those ‘normal people’ who see a need and have the initiative to address it and make something happen. Most don’t think of themselves as leading, just doing what needs to be done.

By: Miki Saxon

Miki Saxon — Thu, 01 May 2008 16:23:22 +0000

Miranda, thanks for starting the discussion. I think that most people would agree with you, but what I’m wondering is if that description is still accurate. Today’s workforce is far more mobile, educated and demanding, would someone who just “shifts things around” inspire you to top performance?

By: Ren Garcia

Ren Garcia — Thu, 01 May 2008 13:44:14 +0000

My favorite quote about a leader is: “There go my people. I am their leader. I must follow them.”

This can mean a lot of things. To me, it says that a leader is always attuned to what his people think, feel, need, etc and acts –following what his people think, feel, need . . .

By: Simone Brunozzi

Simone Brunozzi — Thu, 01 May 2008 13:19:18 +0000

Dear Miki,
this is a very interesting topic for sure!

My little experience tells me that few people can really become leaders… most people will “follow”, not “lead”, even with the best intentions.
I can also say, however, that with the right opportunity, and mentoring, those “few” can become “a lot”… it’s just that in the real world it usually doesn’t happen to have good opportunities or good mentoring.
Think about the average joe, with normal friends, normal job, normal life: not very easy to become a leader.

By: Miranda

Miranda — Thu, 01 May 2008 12:18:52 +0000

I’ve always thought of a manager as someone who basically shifts stuff around — someone who oversees the process. A leader, to me, seems to be someone who forges ahead, reinventing the process of necessary — or even developing a new one.