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		<title>By: MAPping Company Success</title>
		<link>http://www.leadershipturn.com/leaderships-future-entitled-to-good-grades/comment-page-1/#comment-2495</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 08:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dream Strategy &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Carnival of College Admission: No More Pencils, No More Books, No More Teachers Dirty Looks! HELLO SUMMER!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dream Strategy &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Carnival of College Admission: No More Pencils, No More Books, No More Teachers Dirty Looks! HELLO SUMMER!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] joins us with an article about students and their sense of entitlement toward good grades.  Now that you&#8217;re in college&#8230; NOTHING will be given to you, so take [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Miki Saxon</title>
		<link>http://www.leadershipturn.com/leaderships-future-entitled-to-good-grades/comment-page-1/#comment-2007</link>
		<dc:creator>Miki Saxon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 21:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jan, my apologies for not responding sooner.

I understand what you&#039;re saying and I agree that much of the fault lies with those who &#039;programmed&#039; you. 

But think about this scenario with regards to the value of learning.

You receive good grades in your area of study, but don&#039;t really learn much.

You find a great job and are hired by the company based on your grades and the material you studied.

You are unable to perform because you didn&#039;t really learn the material.

Whether large or small, companies don&#039;t employ people who don&#039;t produce, no matter how hard they try, so you are fired for non-performance.

The pressures you face are real and many companies and managers are hung up on grades, so students scramble for good grades ignoring the long term consequences.

I just wish there was a fast fix for this mess, but it was decades forming and isn&#039;t going to go away in a day.

One thing you can do is raise your kids differently. Fight for tougher teachers and better learning. Take yours and your classmates experience and use it as a springboard to change the system so your daughter or son won&#039;t be writing something similar a couple of decades from now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jan, my apologies for not responding sooner.</p>
<p>I understand what you&#8217;re saying and I agree that much of the fault lies with those who &#8216;programmed&#8217; you. </p>
<p>But think about this scenario with regards to the value of learning.</p>
<p>You receive good grades in your area of study, but don&#8217;t really learn much.</p>
<p>You find a great job and are hired by the company based on your grades and the material you studied.</p>
<p>You are unable to perform because you didn&#8217;t really learn the material.</p>
<p>Whether large or small, companies don&#8217;t employ people who don&#8217;t produce, no matter how hard they try, so you are fired for non-performance.</p>
<p>The pressures you face are real and many companies and managers are hung up on grades, so students scramble for good grades ignoring the long term consequences.</p>
<p>I just wish there was a fast fix for this mess, but it was decades forming and isn&#8217;t going to go away in a day.</p>
<p>One thing you can do is raise your kids differently. Fight for tougher teachers and better learning. Take yours and your classmates experience and use it as a springboard to change the system so your daughter or son won&#8217;t be writing something similar a couple of decades from now.</p>
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		<title>By: Jan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 03:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am one of those college students right now. I just thought it was appropriate that I respond to this with some of my own feedback and ideas about college. For the past two semesters I have studied subjects I have not really studied in depth before. I must admit I am very disappointed in myself when I do not make a good grade. The past two semesters I have failed a class, twice (calculus). It is true that in k-12 schooling I would always make at least a B in math courses with the exception of an Algebra class that I retook and made an A in my second time around. College is not like this at all. It is overwhelming how much information I am expected to know and yes I do get upset with a professor&#039;s tests or grading style when I put in the effort yet make a poor grade. I think this article is onto something when it says students expect grades as a direct result of the amount of time spent studying the material in a course/completion of assignments. But is this really all our faults for feeling this way? Throughout k-12 schooling, grades HAD a direct relation to how much time I spent doing assignments and studied. We learned very young this fact and were told &quot;do your best&quot; thinking the result of &quot;doing our best&quot; would mean success. I feel like maybe I was not fully prepared for college in this sense. I knew it would be more difficult than k-12 to earn a good grade but only because I thought I would have to study more and try harder than ever before. It comes as a great disappointment that this is not fully the case. Students are also very nervous of failure because we feel that if we fail courses we will never get the future that we want to have, or even worse, survive the way our parents did in the world. There is a great amount of pressure to earn good grades and gain a GREAT career, as if somehow that is the only way to gain success in our lives. I felt this pressure as an 8th grader even, fearing &quot;What do I want to do with my life, what career should I get?&quot; Constantly feeling pressured to make up my mind and do whatever I could to declare and reach that future goal. Grades mattered for this reason, learning came second. It&#039;s probably no surprise to the writer&#039;s of this article why I am so upset, as are other college students, with a poor grade. We were practically trained to focus our minds on grades because with good grades students could get to their future goal. The present often does not matter, including learning the subject. Students live under this constant pressure to make good grades, with that fear of failure programmed into the back of our minds.

I realize that this type of thinking is actually blocking me from success, but if you would have told me that a few semesters ago that my best effort would still lead me to poor grades, I would have just taken that as a challenge to prove you wrong. While I do care about learning the information in a course, I still cannot shake the fear of a poor grade, even if I have learned a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am one of those college students right now. I just thought it was appropriate that I respond to this with some of my own feedback and ideas about college. For the past two semesters I have studied subjects I have not really studied in depth before. I must admit I am very disappointed in myself when I do not make a good grade. The past two semesters I have failed a class, twice (calculus). It is true that in k-12 schooling I would always make at least a B in math courses with the exception of an Algebra class that I retook and made an A in my second time around. College is not like this at all. It is overwhelming how much information I am expected to know and yes I do get upset with a professor&#8217;s tests or grading style when I put in the effort yet make a poor grade. I think this article is onto something when it says students expect grades as a direct result of the amount of time spent studying the material in a course/completion of assignments. But is this really all our faults for feeling this way? Throughout k-12 schooling, grades HAD a direct relation to how much time I spent doing assignments and studied. We learned very young this fact and were told &#8220;do your best&#8221; thinking the result of &#8220;doing our best&#8221; would mean success. I feel like maybe I was not fully prepared for college in this sense. I knew it would be more difficult than k-12 to earn a good grade but only because I thought I would have to study more and try harder than ever before. It comes as a great disappointment that this is not fully the case. Students are also very nervous of failure because we feel that if we fail courses we will never get the future that we want to have, or even worse, survive the way our parents did in the world. There is a great amount of pressure to earn good grades and gain a GREAT career, as if somehow that is the only way to gain success in our lives. I felt this pressure as an 8th grader even, fearing &#8220;What do I want to do with my life, what career should I get?&#8221; Constantly feeling pressured to make up my mind and do whatever I could to declare and reach that future goal. Grades mattered for this reason, learning came second. It&#8217;s probably no surprise to the writer&#8217;s of this article why I am so upset, as are other college students, with a poor grade. We were practically trained to focus our minds on grades because with good grades students could get to their future goal. The present often does not matter, including learning the subject. Students live under this constant pressure to make good grades, with that fear of failure programmed into the back of our minds.</p>
<p>I realize that this type of thinking is actually blocking me from success, but if you would have told me that a few semesters ago that my best effort would still lead me to poor grades, I would have just taken that as a challenge to prove you wrong. While I do care about learning the information in a course, I still cannot shake the fear of a poor grade, even if I have learned a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: Miki Saxon</title>
		<link>http://www.leadershipturn.com/leaderships-future-entitled-to-good-grades/comment-page-1/#comment-2097</link>
		<dc:creator>Miki Saxon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 19:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew, I don&#039;t have kids and the nieces I helped raise are Gen Xers with small kids of their own, but your question reminded me of something the eldest said when she was in high school.
&lt;em&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;&quot;The hardest thing I&#039;ve done is learn how to learn from a bad teacher.&quot; &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

As in any other line of work teachers and professors range from brilliant to terrible, but, as my niece figured out, good or bad it was &lt;strong&gt;her responsibility to learn&lt;/strong&gt;.

It&#039;s the same in the workforce. Managers have the same skill range as teachers, so it&#039;s up to individuals to perform, whether &#039;because of&#039; or &#039;in spite of&#039;.

However, expecting that from either students or workers is unrealistic. I characterize it this way, 10% will succeed in spite of every barrier, 3% are what I call destroyers because they enjoy it and 87% will work to the level of their teacher/manager/leader/inspiration—whatever you want to call it.

I also believe that we make our own ruts. Every society has various definitions of success and people jump through whatever hoops necessary to achieve the version that they choose.

As to boxes, I don&#039;t believe that anybody ever goes outside their box—even Steve Jobs—&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://mappingcompanysuccess.com/2008/08/boxes-dont-hamper-creativity/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;but they can enlarge them constantly&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew, I don&#8217;t have kids and the nieces I helped raise are Gen Xers with small kids of their own, but your question reminded me of something the eldest said when she was in high school.<br />
<em><br />
<strong>&#8220;The hardest thing I&#8217;ve done is learn how to learn from a bad teacher.&#8221; </strong></em></p>
<p>As in any other line of work teachers and professors range from brilliant to terrible, but, as my niece figured out, good or bad it was <strong>her responsibility to learn</strong>.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the same in the workforce. Managers have the same skill range as teachers, so it&#8217;s up to individuals to perform, whether &#8216;because of&#8217; or &#8216;in spite of&#8217;.</p>
<p>However, expecting that from either students or workers is unrealistic. I characterize it this way, 10% will succeed in spite of every barrier, 3% are what I call destroyers because they enjoy it and 87% will work to the level of their teacher/manager/leader/inspiration—whatever you want to call it.</p>
<p>I also believe that we make our own ruts. Every society has various definitions of success and people jump through whatever hoops necessary to achieve the version that they choose.</p>
<p>As to boxes, I don&#8217;t believe that anybody ever goes outside their box—even Steve Jobs—<strong><a href="http://mappingcompanysuccess.com/2008/08/boxes-dont-hamper-creativity/" rel="nofollow">but they can enlarge them constantly</a>.</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 14:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Miki, re: I’d also love to hear what your kids think of their classmates who believe that showing up deserves an A and don’t understand why their teachers think that quality has value.

I think the issue of entitlement to good grades is definitely important, but I also think there&#039;s another issue that plays off this: the rut students today are in of producing what they are supposed to produce.  I feel like students today are so worried about getting the grade, that they often pass up the chance to take a risk and say something off the beaten path.  Of course, there are certainly lots of students who ARE thinking outside the box a little, but there are way more who are trying desperately to figure out what the professor wants and they regurgitate it down on 8 or 10 pages of paper.  

Thing is, I&#039;m sure professors hate this.  I&#039;m sure it makes their job rather boring and they&#039;d love it if someone would take a risk and say something bold.  But, you circle back to the issue of what students see as the ticket.  Is it creativity and thinking of new ways to look at a problem, or is it taking the easy way, getting the grade, the GPA and the job?  

That&#039;s a whole separate issue, but I think it&#039;s important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miki, re: I’d also love to hear what your kids think of their classmates who believe that showing up deserves an A and don’t understand why their teachers think that quality has value.</p>
<p>I think the issue of entitlement to good grades is definitely important, but I also think there&#8217;s another issue that plays off this: the rut students today are in of producing what they are supposed to produce.  I feel like students today are so worried about getting the grade, that they often pass up the chance to take a risk and say something off the beaten path.  Of course, there are certainly lots of students who ARE thinking outside the box a little, but there are way more who are trying desperately to figure out what the professor wants and they regurgitate it down on 8 or 10 pages of paper.  </p>
<p>Thing is, I&#8217;m sure professors hate this.  I&#8217;m sure it makes their job rather boring and they&#8217;d love it if someone would take a risk and say something bold.  But, you circle back to the issue of what students see as the ticket.  Is it creativity and thinking of new ways to look at a problem, or is it taking the easy way, getting the grade, the GPA and the job?  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s a whole separate issue, but I think it&#8217;s important.</p>
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		<title>By: Miki Saxon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miki Saxon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Donna, how does it feel to be part of the minority of parents who actually do the hard stuff that prepares kids for  the real world?

I&#039;d also love to hear what your kids think of their classmates who believe that showing up deserves an A and don&#039;t understand why their teachers think that quality has value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Donna, how does it feel to be part of the minority of parents who actually do the hard stuff that prepares kids for  the real world?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d also love to hear what your kids think of their classmates who believe that showing up deserves an A and don&#8217;t understand why their teachers think that quality has value.</p>
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		<title>By: donna</title>
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		<dc:creator>donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a result of parents not letting kids learn the consequences of their actions in middle or high schools, where it doesn&#039;t matter so much. I never rescued my kids in middle school or high school, if they didn&#039;t study, their grades suffered, I didn&#039;t do their work or hassle their teachers like other parents did. Teachers would call me and I would just say my child is responsible for their work, if they don&#039;t perform, don&#039;t give them the grade. 

Gee, they are in college now doing just fine. They don&#039;t always get great grades, but they sure don&#039;t complain when they don&#039;t. They know when they&#039;ve performed well and when they haven&#039;t.

Yes, effort is important. But it has to be the right effort. I appreciate that a lot of kids do try hard, and I know how tough it is for a lot of them these days. Especially if you have to work and also take classes. But knowing that your effort alone isn&#039;t the point, that learning the material and being able to respond intelligently to it is the point, that&#039;s important, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a result of parents not letting kids learn the consequences of their actions in middle or high schools, where it doesn&#8217;t matter so much. I never rescued my kids in middle school or high school, if they didn&#8217;t study, their grades suffered, I didn&#8217;t do their work or hassle their teachers like other parents did. Teachers would call me and I would just say my child is responsible for their work, if they don&#8217;t perform, don&#8217;t give them the grade. </p>
<p>Gee, they are in college now doing just fine. They don&#8217;t always get great grades, but they sure don&#8217;t complain when they don&#8217;t. They know when they&#8217;ve performed well and when they haven&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Yes, effort is important. But it has to be the right effort. I appreciate that a lot of kids do try hard, and I know how tough it is for a lot of them these days. Especially if you have to work and also take classes. But knowing that your effort alone isn&#8217;t the point, that learning the material and being able to respond intelligently to it is the point, that&#8217;s important, too.</p>
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		<title>By: MAPping Company Success</title>
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		<dc:creator>MAPping Company Success</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 13:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] have a post today at Leadership Turn that focuses on college student&#8217;s grade expectations for &#8220;trying really hard.&#8221; It&#8217;s worth clicking over to read because these are the [...]</description>
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