Comments on: The Five Rules Of Engagement http://www.leadershipturn.com/the-five-rules-of-engagement/ Articles, tips, and resources about leadership. Wed, 10 Mar 2010 14:50:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Miki Saxon http://www.leadershipturn.com/the-five-rules-of-engagement/comment-page-1/#comment-2288 Miki Saxon Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:56:37 +0000 http://www.leadershipturn.com/?p=1741#comment-2288 Hi Phil, Yes, I really do. It's the bias factor. Lehman Brothers' Richard Fuld made many decisions and took risks with an eye to maximizing bonuses for his group, not the whole company and ended up killing the company. I'm sure he doesn't see it that way, but any leader looking long term would, as did John Stumpf at Wells Fargo. Decisions that insure the long-term health of a company are best for all employees, although the chosen few made out better under Fuld. The other thing to remember is that the employees are the company. Companies aren't stand-alone entities, think about itl, if all the employees quit what would there be left? I'm glad you like my Rules; that's quite a compliment coming from you. Hi Phil, Yes, I really do. It’s the bias factor. Lehman Brothers’ Richard Fuld made many decisions and took risks with an eye to maximizing bonuses for his group, not the whole company and ended up killing the company. I’m sure he doesn’t see it that way, but any leader looking long term would, as did John Stumpf at Wells Fargo. Decisions that insure the long-term health of a company are best for all employees, although the chosen few made out better under Fuld.

The other thing to remember is that the employees are the company. Companies aren’t stand-alone entities, think about itl, if all the employees quit what would there be left?

I’m glad you like my Rules; that’s quite a compliment coming from you.

]]> By: Phil Gerbyshak http://www.leadershipturn.com/the-five-rules-of-engagement/comment-page-1/#comment-2205 Phil Gerbyshak Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:14:16 +0000 http://www.leadershipturn.com/?p=1741#comment-2205 Do you really think the sake of the company should be the first rule? If so, then why do so many companies lie and say they do things "for the good of employees" when they are really acting on behalf of the company? If this is really true, then why do we believe anything our leaders tell us is "good for us" when really it is "good for the company?" I like the list though. VERY simple and straightforward. Anyone can do it if they care enough to put forth the effort required. Do you really think the sake of the company should be the first rule? If so, then why do so many companies lie and say they do things “for the good of employees” when they are really acting on behalf of the company?

If this is really true, then why do we believe anything our leaders tell us is “good for us” when really it is “good for the company?”

I like the list though. VERY simple and straightforward. Anyone can do it if they care enough to put forth the effort required.

]]> By: Miki Saxon http://www.leadershipturn.com/the-five-rules-of-engagement/comment-page-1/#comment-2112 Miki Saxon Wed, 11 Feb 2009 22:22:10 +0000 http://www.leadershipturn.com/?p=1741#comment-2112 And getting smaller, Rares, and totally interwoven as the current mess proves. I hope you'll share how-it's-done there info as you're moved. I believe my readers would find it interesting and it certainly won't make you sound like a know-it-all. And getting smaller, Rares, and totally interwoven as the current mess proves.

I hope you’ll share how-it’s-done there info as you’re moved. I believe my readers would find it interesting and it certainly won’t make you sound like a know-it-all.

]]> By: Rares http://www.leadershipturn.com/the-five-rules-of-engagement/comment-page-1/#comment-2119 Rares Wed, 11 Feb 2009 22:02:57 +0000 http://www.leadershipturn.com/?p=1741#comment-2119 You are right, Miki. Reading a lot of technical, professional, and creative blogs, I can merely leave some opinions, from time to time. On the other hand, I have a sort of knowing-all-guy-phobia, if you know what I mean, hahaha!, so I carefully and thoroughly read first, then comment. Thanks for letting me in! PS: the world is really, really small, isn't it? You are right, Miki. Reading a lot of technical, professional, and creative blogs, I can merely leave some opinions, from time to time. On the other hand, I have a sort of knowing-all-guy-phobia, if you know what I mean, hahaha!, so I carefully and thoroughly read first, then comment. Thanks for letting me in!
PS: the world is really, really small, isn’t it?

]]> By: Miki Saxon http://www.leadershipturn.com/the-five-rules-of-engagement/comment-page-1/#comment-2118 Miki Saxon Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:55:50 +0000 http://www.leadershipturn.com/?p=1741#comment-2118 Hi Rares, I'm glad that you're finding the site useful. For a PR guy you are a man of few words. (I assume you are male, if not I apologize. I'm not familiar with Romanian names, although my mother's family emigrated from there:) Hi Rares, I’m glad that you’re finding the site useful. For a PR guy you are a man of few words. (I assume you are male, if not I apologize. I’m not familiar with Romanian names, although my mother’s family emigrated from there:)

]]> By: Miki Saxon http://www.leadershipturn.com/the-five-rules-of-engagement/comment-page-1/#comment-2117 Miki Saxon Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:18:28 +0000 http://www.leadershipturn.com/?p=1741#comment-2117 Hi Chris, thanks; I'm a big proponent of KISS. I'm not so sure about them overlapping, and I don't really see 'managerial courage' as being primary; it certainly doesn't include or outrank 'trust' in my mind. I did read your article (thanks for the link) and we seem to have divergent views on leadership. But divergent is good, since I'm a firm believer that divergent is what forces people to THINK, as opposed to homogenized, which allows them to sleepwalk through their experiences. Divergent also keeps things from getting boring. Hi Chris, thanks; I’m a big proponent of KISS. I’m not so sure about them overlapping, and I don’t really see ‘managerial courage’ as being primary; it certainly doesn’t include or outrank ‘trust’ in my mind. I did read your article (thanks for the link) and we seem to have divergent views on leadership.

But divergent is good, since I’m a firm believer that divergent is what forces people to THINK, as opposed to homogenized, which allows them to sleepwalk through their experiences. Divergent also keeps things from getting boring.

]]> By: Miki Saxon http://www.leadershipturn.com/the-five-rules-of-engagement/comment-page-1/#comment-2116 Miki Saxon Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:02:58 +0000 http://www.leadershipturn.com/?p=1741#comment-2116 Hi Rhett, thanks for the kind words. I agree with you, but with most management running scared and investors (read Wall Street) still demanding decent quarterly reports or else, I'm not holding my breath. Hi Rhett, thanks for the kind words. I agree with you, but with most management running scared and investors (read Wall Street) still demanding decent quarterly reports or else, I’m not holding my breath.

]]> By: Rares http://www.leadershipturn.com/the-five-rules-of-engagement/comment-page-1/#comment-2132 Rares Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:38:37 +0000 http://www.leadershipturn.com/?p=1741#comment-2132 Very useful post, thank you! Very useful post, thank you!

]]> By: Chris M. Martin http://www.leadershipturn.com/the-five-rules-of-engagement/comment-page-1/#comment-2267 Chris M. Martin Tue, 10 Feb 2009 00:34:11 +0000 http://www.leadershipturn.com/?p=1741#comment-2267 Miki, First, I enjoy your posts. They are easy to read and follow the K.I.S.S. principle. That's a good thing. With that said, a couple of points you mentioned speaks of a concept called "managerial courage." Rules 1, 4, and 5 are all part of managerial courage - trust, making decisions on behalf of the company first, and of course, courage itself. I suppose engagement and managerial courage may have a certain overlap...Perhaps, this can be a future post of yours. I've attached an article I wrote on the subject. Nice work! Chris Miki,

First, I enjoy your posts. They are easy to read and follow the K.I.S.S. principle. That’s a good thing.

With that said, a couple of points you mentioned speaks of a concept called “managerial courage.” Rules 1, 4, and 5 are all part of managerial courage – trust, making decisions on behalf of the company first, and of course, courage itself. I suppose engagement and managerial courage may have a certain overlap…Perhaps, this can be a future post of yours. I’ve attached an article I wrote on the subject.

Nice work!

Chris

]]> By: Rhett Laubach http://www.leadershipturn.com/the-five-rules-of-engagement/comment-page-1/#comment-2204 Rhett Laubach Mon, 09 Feb 2009 17:16:57 +0000 http://www.leadershipturn.com/?p=1741#comment-2204 Miki, great post! Especially in today's economy, great companies and organizations have to engage their employees not only to help them be more productive and valuable, but also to keep them in a good mood! :) Thanks for your continued posting. I always find them valuable! Rhett www.PersonalLeadershipInsight.com Miki, great post! Especially in today’s economy, great companies and organizations have to engage their employees not only to help them be more productive and valuable, but also to keep them in a good mood! :)

Thanks for your continued posting. I always find them valuable!

Rhett
http://www.PersonalLeadershipInsight.com

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