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		<title>By: Miki Saxon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miki Saxon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 17:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Wes, most of the discussion is taking place over on Kristen&#039;s blog (see link). I&#039;m fully aware that what you say is true, although I take exception to &quot;But I can also say that the most honest, forthright, and servant-hearted companies I have run into are run by Christians.&quot; I know of thousands of &#039;honest, forthright, and servant-hearted companies&#039; that are run by folks whose beliefs don&#039;t encompass Jesus. 

To me, it&#039;s not inclusive vs exclusive, it&#039;s private vs public and, to me, religion should be private. Further, &quot;you&quot; have no right to judge &quot;me,&quot; no matter what &quot;you&quot; think about what &quot;I&quot; believe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Wes, most of the discussion is taking place over on Kristen&#8217;s blog (see link). I&#8217;m fully aware that what you say is true, although I take exception to &#8220;But I can also say that the most honest, forthright, and servant-hearted companies I have run into are run by Christians.&#8221; I know of thousands of &#8216;honest, forthright, and servant-hearted companies&#8217; that are run by folks whose beliefs don&#8217;t encompass Jesus. </p>
<p>To me, it&#8217;s not inclusive vs exclusive, it&#8217;s private vs public and, to me, religion should be private. Further, &#8220;you&#8221; have no right to judge &#8220;me,&#8221; no matter what &#8220;you&#8221; think about what &#8220;I&#8221; believe.</p>
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		<title>By: Wes Ball</title>
		<link>http://www.leadershipturn.com/where-does-religion-fit/comment-page-1/#comment-1591</link>
		<dc:creator>Wes Ball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 20:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m more than a little surprised that I am the first comment on this.  Must be a busy day at work.

Miki, you, like most people, have obviously run up against some misguided people who made you feel somehow condemned for not being like them.  I think we all have had that experience at least once, and it is always distasteful, whether it is a &quot;religious&quot; context or a social one.

The interesting thing about that is that Christians (obviously the group you are most enraged by) are the least judgmental people I know -- at least the real ones I know.  The problem is that most people who claim to be Christians either are not or are &quot;baby&quot; Christians, who don&#039;t understand what being a Christ-follower even means.

True leadership is inclusive more than exclusive.    What you seem to feel you have experienced is an exclusive attitude, something that the real Christians I know don&#039;t practice at all.

I have to say that the business persons who I have come across who most vocally proclaim that they are Christians have been some of the biggest frauds and cheaters I have met. Not all of them, but enough that I am always wary when I run into one.  But I can also say that the most honest, forthright, and servant-hearted companies I have run into are run by Christians -- they just don&#039;t blatantly advertise it.  They aren&#039;t trying to cash in on their beliefs; they are just living them out.

I would only say that it is important to recognize the difference between those who proclaim to be something and are actually something else.

Thanks for bringing this to light, because I know you aren&#039;t the only person who has experienced this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m more than a little surprised that I am the first comment on this.  Must be a busy day at work.</p>
<p>Miki, you, like most people, have obviously run up against some misguided people who made you feel somehow condemned for not being like them.  I think we all have had that experience at least once, and it is always distasteful, whether it is a &#8220;religious&#8221; context or a social one.</p>
<p>The interesting thing about that is that Christians (obviously the group you are most enraged by) are the least judgmental people I know &#8212; at least the real ones I know.  The problem is that most people who claim to be Christians either are not or are &#8220;baby&#8221; Christians, who don&#8217;t understand what being a Christ-follower even means.</p>
<p>True leadership is inclusive more than exclusive.    What you seem to feel you have experienced is an exclusive attitude, something that the real Christians I know don&#8217;t practice at all.</p>
<p>I have to say that the business persons who I have come across who most vocally proclaim that they are Christians have been some of the biggest frauds and cheaters I have met. Not all of them, but enough that I am always wary when I run into one.  But I can also say that the most honest, forthright, and servant-hearted companies I have run into are run by Christians &#8212; they just don&#8217;t blatantly advertise it.  They aren&#8217;t trying to cash in on their beliefs; they are just living them out.</p>
<p>I would only say that it is important to recognize the difference between those who proclaim to be something and are actually something else.</p>
<p>Thanks for bringing this to light, because I know you aren&#8217;t the only person who has experienced this.</p>
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